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Declaration of Intent

October 24, 2017

 

My fellow Equilismers,

 

I have come before you today to declare my intention to, in the near future, propose a new treaty to the Town Hall. I expect that this treaty may be controversial and even opposed by some here in the Township. However, I trust in Equilismers' ability to set aside their preconceptions and emotions, and to think about what is being proposed logically and without bias. The treaty I will be proposing is entitled Pact of Non-Aggression Between The Kingdom of Great Britain and Equilism.

 

In recent times, the Kingdom of Great Britain has taken an unfortunate blow to its reputation across the globe, particularly with some of our allies, due to the actions of its former King-Emperor and other regional officials. However, the Kingdom has since taken many steps to steer away from the direction those now ousted officials were guiding it down. There has even been a Constitutional Convention in the region which has reduced the power of the Monarchy and increased the power of Parliament.

 

After the incident that occurred involving the former King-Emperor of Great Britain and the former President of Europeia, the latter region being our ally, Equilism imposed diplomatic sanctions on the Kingdom as a sign of our support for Europeia and our disapproval with the actions taken by the Kingdom. Conditions were laid forth which would allow normal diplomacy to resume once the Kingdom had met them, which included the previously described legal reform, and I am happy to report the Kingdom has met them all.

 

There are many areas in which the Kingdom of Great Britain and Equilism would benefit from furthered cooperation, or in the very least, a mutual lack of opposition. The Kingdom and Equilism are both members of the Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism, an organization whose cause we must remain vigilant to, and improved relations betweens signatories can certainly serve to benefit that cause. There is also a great deal of opportunity for cultural exchange, as both of our regions have storied pasts.

 

Furthermore, there is a degree of shared membership between the Kingdom and Equilism, as well as between the Kingdom and some of Equilism's allies. I myself am a former Queen-Empress of the Kingdom, as I was the wife of former King-Emperor George VI. Now I am the Queen Mother, a ceremonial position, and I also serve as a member of the House of Lords, which is one of two houses composing the British Parliament. The Prime Minister of Great Britain, Leopold Mountbatten, is better known here in Equilism as Leo Drakan. Since his election, Leo has been one of those in the Kingdom pushing the hardest for legal reform and change. I will refrain from further detailing membership, as I think the point is made.

 

I will understand if you are hesitant to agree to this treaty. I hope you will evaluate it in earnest upon its proposal and that you will keep both your minds and your hearts open. This treaty is an opportunity to secure peace and to promote understanding, tolerance and forgiveness. This treaty is an opportunity to showcase that Equilism displays kind and considerate judgment in foreign affairs, and that it is not merely a reactionary entity to what happens in the world. This treaty is our opportunity to give the world a shining example of how diplomacy should truly be conducted, with thought, with reflection, and with empathy toward those who are not in control of their region's foreign affairs directly.

 

Thank you,

 

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I could not be more opposed to this. This is not the kind of region that Equilism wants to be associated with. This affiliation will have an extremely negative impact on Equilism.

 

I will go into this with more depth and detail when my schedule allows.

 

In the interim, I implore Equilism to reject this idea quickly and strongly.

 

 

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While I understand your's and Leo's close ties to the Kingdom of Great Britain and positions in their govermnent, I am 100% against this treaty.

 

It is true that they have made some strides towards a better government, However, there are still sticking points that you should consider not the least of which is the continued and actually increased presence of Vac in the government as both Culture Secretary and a member of Parliament. This mostly unrepentant PNG has a long history of aggressive and angry actions against people. By placing him in the high-level positions that he is in, KGB is tacitly approving of his actions.

 

The former King's actions as a manipulator of people and personal threats against people who opposed him cannot be forgotten. In addition, he threatened war against The West Pacific and other regions, which is an unforgivable offense. Unfortunately, most of the same people who were there and should have spoken out against his actions are still in high positions in that region. This leads me to believe that the strides they have taken are mostly just lip service in an attempt to curry favor.

 

As the representative of The West Pacific, a long-time treaty ally of Equilism, this action is deeply troubling. I implore you to reconsider this action.

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Re: Vac. Vac has been in high level internal positions in Europeia and in The Galactic Order. You cannot hold it against the KoGB unless you push these two regions on the issue as well. He has also apologized publicly and privately to those he has impacted. 

 

You are right that he was a manipulator of people, that includes the people that “should have spoken out”. These people have now either left or have repented their actions and have done their best to reverse the damage done to the region. 

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RE: Vac I certainly can hold it against KGB that they brought a serial harasser back into the region at the earliest opportunity to promote activity. After the way Vac treated people I care about in this game (and continues to) I could never allow a region that I care about to come into contact with him. In TWP we have a policy that we will not work with a region who houses harassers. I did not know he was in Europeia or TGO, but I can assure you that I will bring up the topic with the Delegate 

 

KoGB does not deserve a second chance after their founder threatened to porn spam TWP, Osiris and Europeia's forum with pictures of of NSers who wronged him.

 

We still don't know who owns the founder account. For all we know it's Don. We only have their words. Who since his declaration of war against TWP, Osiris and Europeia has gone on to try to attack us by enlisting help from Nazi Europa.

 

BTW, the new king was in full agreement with Don in declaration against TWP.

 

No KGB doesn't get a second chance in my book this quickly.

 

For those of you unaware of this story the full story can be found here:  http://www.westpacific.org/forums/index.php?/topic/2464-treachery-from-the-kingdom-of-great-britain/

 

Because of people who are associated with KGB, like Vac and Don and their despicable actions; I cannot condone any association with them at this time. Furthermore, I will not be associated with any region who is allied with KGB.

 

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I can make on statement. Don is completely exiled. He has no access to any founder or root account as the emails and passwords have been changed and his known IPs have been banned. I know this much as I have seen them rushing to change these and was involved in the regiOnal dedonification

 

The porn spamming knowledge came from KoGB. Our King found out and asked Cat to deliver the message as far as she could for the protection of all people and regions threatened. If need be, I can send you proof of these events. 

 

To be fair, Vac has been on a short leash and hasn’t reached out and attacked any one person during his return. If you’ll contact me with evidence otherwise, I will look into it. 

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We have no proof other than people's words that Don isn't the root admin of the forum or founder still!

 

Bottom line, is that forgiveness is something that takes time.  The actions of the region and the individuals involved were so offensive and egregious that I am not at that point.  

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I think that Pooch/Badger has done an excellent and complete job of explaining my (and TWP's) position on this.

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I am going to be blunt. You and I know that there is no way to prove the change of passwords outside of allowing you access then changing the email/password after you access it. Due to the importance of our safety along with yours, we cannot allow that. If there is any way that you know of to prove that we have secured these accounts without exposing sensitive information let me know and I’ll bring it to the king.  These hideous accusations that we will let a horrible person like Don maintain these accounts needs to be put down as they are simply not true. 

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Time may prove it. But not enough time has passed.

 

So far this has been an Equilism/TWP conversation. I'd like to hear what the rest of your citizens feel about this.

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You are correct we have no idea.  But what we do know is that Vac is once again an active and important member of KGB.  That is a sign of a lack of judgement and discretion!  Thinking that it is possible that Don is still involved isn't that far of a leap when we see the other choices the region is making.

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Vac has shown repentance for his past actions, mind you. He was banned twice for a long period of time and the decision to bring him back in took quite a debate. We ended up deciding to bar him from FA and extremely high positions for  the time being. If you need to talk more on this, contact me directly.  I am done for now. 

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I sincerely hope that this proposition does not make it beyond a statement of intent. Equilism is an old and respectable region and should, in my opinion, have more love for itself than to take on the burden of an association with KGB. I cannot fault Izzy or Leo for keeping associations in KGB - I myself have kept up with plenty of KGB's citizens, Leo among them, and feel like it would be cruel to neglect my friends because they chose to remain in a region that I don't approve of. My friendships are important to me and worth far more than the silly smatterings of NS politics that initially brought us together. By the same token that I'm able to distance my friendships from regional politics, though, I am able to distance what is good for my friends as people from what is good for my friends as politicians. 

 

All respect to Leo and Izzy for taking these steps to help out their friends in other regions, but KGB is a friend to you. It is not a friend to Equilism. What benefit could an association with KGB possibly serve us here? I don't believe any of our allies would look fondly on a treaty with this region. I dare say some of our most longstanding alliances would outright reject a new treaty with any region who was treatied also with KGB. But we willl ask them to forgive us for creating a new alliance with regions that we know put those old alliances in jeopardy only because we assume they will stay? I can't with sincerity say that they wouldn't stay... they very well might. But their respect and trust for Equilism as a region would certainly be diminished. 

 

KGB is claiming to have turned over a new leaf and kept Vac on a short leash, but it appears to me to be up to the same old tricks. The same old fossils are still in charge, plus a few people who they believe will stay loyal to their own wills. They've wisely not reinstated Vac as their highest in command in the Marines, but have unwisely shot him up to second-highest in command. Do they think we're blind? They've not only tried, but convicted one of their oldest citizens for speaking up against Vac. He dared say that Vac is blacklisted and unliked outside of KGB, and Vac claimed that this was slander. It is not slander. It is true. The King, Vac, the Judge, and all parties involved know that this is true, yet they still sacrificed one of their own to trial and punishment on Vac's behalf. Mercifully the punishment was not extreme, but the conviction was entirely unfair. KGB may with time fall into a more noble way of doing, but for the time being we have more proof before us that this is not the case than we could possibly muster to say that it is. These are the reasons our allies speak so steadfastly against them, the reasons that the NS community continues to remain cautious and generally resistant to the region at large, and the reason that Izzy and Leo want to help them fix their reputations so badly. The question to be asking ourselves is not "Is Vac a new man?" or "Is KGB a new region?" The question to ask is "Is this a beneficial association for Equilism?" and the answer is no. 

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*ponders*

 

*rocks in his chair*

 

Now, I haven't been around, so I'm only sort of aware of the situation with the KGB.  So you have to take my thoughts with that in mind. 

 

Regardless of whether or not the KGB has reformed sufficiently or not, or purged enough of the right/wrong people, all really seems irrelevant to me at this point.

 

That such a proposal would cause this level of divisiveness and contention within our community and friends would seem to be sufficient cause to oppose it alone.

 

*swigs from his rum flask*

 

Having said that, I can't make a proper judgement without seeing the text of the treaty proposal.  I think we have to read it before we pass it ;)

 

Or don't pass it.

 

*shrugs, swigs*

 

This statement doesn't really explain what kind of treaty this is, unless I missed it. A friendship treaty? A reconciliation treaty? Cultural Exchange? Agreement not to attack each other? Military Cooperation? Intel Cooperation? Non-Interference? Recruitment?

 

I mean, I know the treaty text will speak for itself, but having a better idea of what kind of treaty we're talking about might help.

 

*leans back, rocks*

 

Also, I don't really see any clear reason for making this treaty at this time. Nor does the statement of intent really clarify how this would tangibly benefit Equilism, IMO. That it would benefit the KGB is obvious, not so for Equilism, IMO.

 

*pauses rocking*

 

It seems like some are taking their position from the point of view of another region, rather than Equilism.  It's a little disconcerting. 

 

Obviously, from what's been said, this is concerning to TWP. While the TWP/Equilism Treaty provides that each other's region's treaties are not subject to the approval or disapproval of one another, I appreciate your sharing your concerns. 

 

Obviously, this would be advantageous to the KGB, and those involved there are the one's making this proposal. This appears as damage control though, fresh relations are no doubt a way to make their way back into better interregional relations overall. It's an understandable policy to reach out after crisis.

 

*swigs, resumes rocking*

 

Nope, this doesn't seem healthy for Equilism. But I'm listening.  And hey, a little bit of activity never hurt.

 

*closes eyes, rocks.......opens one eye, stops*

 

Now I may be mistaken, but I don't recall if there was an announcement that the KGB had met the conditions set out in the prior statement. Then the new Ambassador arrived and I wasn't sure if I should be greeting the Ambassador, or if our relations were still cold.  I read the KGB update that was posted in their Embassy, but wasn't sure how to take it.

 

So maybe you have all been talking on Discord instead, so I don't know what's what.  But from that unclear status, to suddenly prepare to present a treaty, seems like a sudden stretch.

 

*shrugs. swigs, closes eye.....rocks*

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Thank you West for the pros and cons. The Treaty is a pact of nonaggression. It offers very limited status to KoGB but allows KoGB to work closely, but not too closely, with Equilism on cultural events such as festivals and things such as radio broadcasting and weekend games. 

 

KoGB has activity and has some form of military strength that, if permitted by those in charge, will benefit Equilism in the long run. 

 

 I’ll respect the will of my fellow citizens after the text is posted. For now, this is merely a statement of intent for the small treaty. 

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Oh, this was an interesting read.

 

*snorts* yes, talk about the Galactic Order and it shows how absolutely little you know about Vac. If you were going to refer to anything regarding what he's done that means something, you'd refer to The New Galactic Empire, which Vac happily tried to gut from the inside by offering the founder a bribe of stamps to remove his political opponents after he abandoned the region to get onto his knees for Don in 2014 and came back to realise that TNGE didn't need him anymore ;)

 

I suppose we could also talk about how Vac has bragged about leaking from from just about every single major region he's been part of - including Osiris and THE EAST PACIFIC (because apparently backstabbing the nicest GCR in NS is a thing to be proud of) in order to further his own career somehow. On top of the fact that he is a thoroughly destestable character - he's managed to be both an odious and slimy fellow that has the proud honour - along with Don - of being on every single blocklist I can put them on because neither of them give a crap about the divide between in and out of character and WILL, HAVE and SHALL manipulate, lie and cheat their way to gain their advantage. 

 

KGB was never worth anything in my eyes and the eyes of many of my colleagues, and by trying to attach Equilism to it as a means of patching the holes in the hull of HMS KGB you threaten Equilism's own survival and diplomatic standing.

 

Equilism is vastly superior to KGB and should not lower itself to consort with such a thoroughly disreputable community, especially one where people who disagreed with the egos of the ruling members were chased out by lynch mobs.

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Oh yes, I'd definitely say it's on that level and I don't use such comparisons lightly.

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